. - i want to ask you about religion before i get to trump. i'm so interested in the degree to which religion is a persistent topic in this book. - [kurt] yeah. - you talk about christianity on the one hand, and actually you go down into the weeds on scientology a little bit and some other things, but you also talk about secular folks, who are like the new agers basically, right? - yeah, spiritual but not religious. - right, who are themselves in some ways -- - some, and again, i don't want -- - [evan] fantasylanders. - yes, many of them are, and i don't want to paint with too broad a brush. when you say christians. - not all christians. - not all christians at all just, you know ... - but it does beg the question of whether faith is the same thing as belief for purposes of discussion for this book. - distinguish them for me. - well, my point is you have people who, if i were bill maher sitting here as opposed to myself, i would be saying well, the bible is made up. - [kurt] yeah, yeah, yeah. - you know his whole trope about that. - yes. - the